This week Josh and Kevin welcome Jordan Hoover and Elliot Hubbard to the show. Jordan hails from Michigan's upper peninsula where he has been hunting for over 30 years. Elliot hails from the eastern lower part of Michigan. We start off talking about some recent hunts then get right into it. Both Jordan and Elliot have been very active in various sportsman's issues here in the state, mainly deer, but also now the predator hunting issues. Jordan does a good job of breaking down the various issues that have affected the Michigan deer herd, from habitat issues to predation, explaining to us in detail some really good info, as well as possibilities to help our herd. We then discuss the issues facing the predator hunting community, some of how the issue came up, what is at stake, and what everyone can do to help, and to realize that it's not just the closed season at stake, but just a small part of the battle against our heritage in the outdoors. As always, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING Predator Thermal Optics code "ptothermal" for 10% off all Predator Thermal Optics brand Scopes and Monoculars www.predatorhunteroutdoors.com code: tripod for 10% off tripods and mounts code: light for 20% off lighting products Predator Hunter Outdoors www.huntwise.com code: OVERDRIVE20 for 20% off an annual membership HuntWise Maniac Outdoors- Code OD15 for 15% off scent fuel products ORC Archery ATN Prym1 HuxWrx